Hi,
I am looking for answers in the Kleinunternehmen regulation. I registered as self employed in 2022. At the time of registration, I waived the small business regulation and reported a sales tax (VAT) for the following 2 years (2022 and 2023).
In May 2024, I realized that I wanted to get rid of paying VAT. I was not very careful with my research unfortunately, so I just sent an informal letter to my tax office, saying I want to revoke my waiver of small business regulation for 2024. Since my 2023 turnover was lower than 22000 and 2024 expected turnover will be lower than 50000, I thought I have the right to do so.
But now I am reading that I am binded by my initial decision for 5 years. Does this mean that I can't apply the small business regulation? Nevertheless, the tax office didn't confirm or deny my application. They just said they can't send me any official confirmation.
I also read conflicting reports from courts and etc. One of them said I have the right to revoke my waiver even before the 5 year period is over. But then I have to repay the input sales tax for previous 2 years to the tax office , but only if it exceeded 1000 euros. For me, it didn't exceed 1000 euros.
I also read that revocation can only be applied starting next year. And not this year.
So my question is if I can use the small business regulation in 2024 or not. I issued only two invoices this year in total. I didn't invoice VAT to clients on these invoices. And now I am worried I am doing something wrong. My calls with the tax office are very confusing. One day they confirm over the phone that I can use the regulation this year, another day they say that they can't send me an official confirmation. But again I also read that they don't have to send the confirmation and my annual Vat and tax returns will be decisive.
Any advice on that matter? I am sorry if may be I overcomplicated it unnecessarily.
Thank you,
Julia
Small business regulation after 2 years
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Re: Small business regulation after 2 years
Have you already filed your 2022 VAT return (Umsatzsteuererklärung)?Julia2727 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 8:08 pm I am looking for answers in the Kleinunternehmen regulation. I registered as self employed in 2022. At the time of registration, I waived the small business regulation and reported a sales tax (VAT) for the following 2 years (2022 and 2023).
In May 2024, I realized that I wanted to get rid of paying VAT. I was not very careful with my research unfortunately, so I just sent an informal letter to my tax office, saying I want to revoke my waiver of small business regulation for 2024. Since my 2023 turnover was lower than 22000 and 2024 expected turnover will be lower than 50000, I thought I have the right to do so.
But now I am reading that I am binded by my initial decision for 5 years. Does this mean that I can't apply the small business regulation?
Because you have up till one month after you filed it (which is when it becomes uncontestable), to still change your mind about being a Kleinunternehmer, that's what is written in § 19 (2) Satz 2 UStG: https://dejure.org/gesetze/UStG/19.html
- 2Nach Eintritt der Unanfechtbarkeit der Steuerfestsetzung bindet die Erklärung den Unternehmer mindestens für fünf Kalenderjahre.
- 2Once the tax assessment has become incontestable, the declaration shall be binding on the entrepreneur for at least five calendar years.
--> you can then tell the Finanzamt that from 1. January 2027, you will return to being a Kleinunternehmerin.
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Who are your clients?
Are they non-German businesses?
Because if they are, you weren't supposed to charge VAT in your invoices.
For EU businesses, you will need to prove that they are a business by checking their VAT ID number in the VIES VAT number database: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/v ... validation
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Re: Small business regulation after 2 years
Thank you! Yes 2022 VAT return has been filed. So I will stick to standard taxation. It really confused me that the tax office person said she saw my application for Kleinunternehmen and I can be a small business from this year but then didn't provide any letter. I think they just didn't check my business registration date.
My clients are mostly in Germany.
Just one more admin question: shall I send the finanzamt the letter stating that my kleinunternehmen application was a mistake? Or is it not necessary and eventually they will see my tax returns and VAT returns with standard taxation? I am thinking I would just continue sending my reports and they will figure it out.
Anyways, thanks a lot for your help, @PandaMunich. It suddenly became very clear to me what to do! I really appreciate it.
Julia2727
My clients are mostly in Germany.
Just one more admin question: shall I send the finanzamt the letter stating that my kleinunternehmen application was a mistake? Or is it not necessary and eventually they will see my tax returns and VAT returns with standard taxation? I am thinking I would just continue sending my reports and they will figure it out.
Anyways, thanks a lot for your help, @PandaMunich. It suddenly became very clear to me what to do! I really appreciate it.
Julia2727
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Re: Small business regulation after 2 years
The latter, you simply file as VAT-charging.
You will have to either:
- re-issue these two invoices you write with VAT (if the clients are businesses, it's not a problem for them to pay VAT extra, since they will get that VAT back),
or - you will need to pay VAT from the invoiced amount, i.e. only get to keep amount/1.19.
Did you not file these VAT announcements in 2024?
Re: Small business regulation after 2 years
Thank you!
Yes I think I will just change my invoices to include VAT and pay it.
Regarding quarterly VAT reports, I didn't send them. At the begining of the year I got a letter from the Finanzamt to file VAT annually because last year's VAT was less then 1000. Recently on 31 July 2024 they sent me a letter to send quarterly VAT returns. That was quite late and I was still trying to clarify if I was a small business or not. So as it happened, I didn't file for the first 2 quarters. Now I am super late with the two reports. That's okay though and I am okay to take on the penalties and fines if any.
They have my SEPA mandate!
Thank you again @PandaMunich!
Julia2727
Yes I think I will just change my invoices to include VAT and pay it.
Regarding quarterly VAT reports, I didn't send them. At the begining of the year I got a letter from the Finanzamt to file VAT annually because last year's VAT was less then 1000. Recently on 31 July 2024 they sent me a letter to send quarterly VAT returns. That was quite late and I was still trying to clarify if I was a small business or not. So as it happened, I didn't file for the first 2 quarters. Now I am super late with the two reports. That's okay though and I am okay to take on the penalties and fines if any.
They have my SEPA mandate!
Thank you again @PandaMunich!
Julia2727