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Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:16 pm
by Alberto
dstanners wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:26 pm
No problem at all, happy to share
Three years ago I was quoted 34k for approximately 28 panels and a 10kw battery.
A few weeks ago I was quoted just under 20k for 22 panels and a 10kw battery.
I think the earlier quote also included one of those charging points for the car (they used to be subsidised up to 100% in NRW)
I agree that 64 panels and a 30kw battery is large for a private household.
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 6:14 pm
by Alberto
dstanners wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 2:26 pm
I agree that 64 panels and a 30kw battery is large for a private household.
Did you shop around? I ask because this quotation seems surprisingly overpriced. No Akku though, they were ca 1.1-1.2 k€/kWh.
Our 2019 system was 13k€, ca 9.5kWp, and posh WR. And we should have been relatively more expensive, because smaller system, and (allegedly) PV prices dropped since. But it seems we weren't.
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 6:27 pm
by dstanners
Do you mean the current price is too high or the one from a few years ago?
In terms of the recent quite, we are getting another quote next week.
As for the previous one, we had almost identical quotes from three suppliers and our neighbours who were buying at that time paid similar sums.
It is of course possible that this is an "Eifel special price". It's a bit of a closed shop around here for anything broadly handwerker related (which is why I've ended up owning a cement mixer, digger, tractor and even taking on my personal nemesis of plastering)..
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:44 am
by Alberto
dstanners wrote: ↑Sat Jun 21, 2025 6:27 pm
Do you mean the current price is too high or the one from a few years ago?
I meant the one from the past, seems too high for me but maybe I'm wrong. I have not looked at PV prices in a while.
Good luck with the project in any case. And please keep us posted, if you don't mind, I always find PV interesting.
Cheers,
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:03 pm
by dstanners
Here's today's quote, and some further information about insurance for solar panels.
Cost 21,000 (inc. Vat as zero rated)
This includes:
18 modules (440wp fullblack)
FossEs battery 8,7kw
FosEss 8er WR
Rundumsorglospaket (scaffolding, fitting, fixtures, management module, labour, lightning protection usw).
It does not include a wall box, but does include emergency electricity in the event of a power cut.
Following @Robinson's question about insurance, I asked the electrician. His view was that the general installation should be covered by home insurance, but it is possible to get specific insurance to fix a hailstone damaged panel. However, he said that the actual cost of repairing/replacing a damaged panel was relatively low (he said, around 200 Euros), so that insurance may not be worthwhile for most homes with a typical roof shape. This might be different if you had a flat roof or large open area of panels - which may be applicable to @Robinson, guessing from the size of the intended installation?
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 1:47 pm
by Alberto
dstanners wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:03 pm
18 modules (440wp fullblack)
Interesting.
When we bought, panels were 300-315 Wp.
Is the quotation itemized? What's the cost of the battery?
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:07 pm
by dstanners
No itemised pricing. When I had the quotes a few years ago, everything was itemised. This time, both quotes so far have had "all in" prices (everything from scaffolding to screws).
On the one hand, that makes it easy for me to know the final cost, but equally, I can't see if there are some items with unduly high mark-ups (inverter, battery etc).
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:17 pm
by Frantic
dstanners wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 12:03 pm
Here's today's quote, and some further information about insurance for solar panels.
Cost 21,000 (inc. Vat as zero rated)
This includes:
18 modules (440wp fullblack)
FossEs battery 8,7kw
FosEss 8er WR
Rundumsorglospaket (scaffolding, fitting, fixtures, management module, labour, lightning protection usw).
It does not include a wall box, but does include emergency electricity in the event of a power cut.
Following @Robinson's question about insurance, I asked the electrician. His view was that the general installation should be covered by home insurance, but it is possible to get specific insurance to fix a hailstone damaged panel. However, he said that the actual cost of repairing/replacing a damaged panel was relatively low (he said, around 200 Euros), so that insurance may not be worthwhile for most homes with a typical roof shape. This might be different if you had a flat roof or large open area of panels - which may be applicable to @Robinson, guessing from the size of the intended installation?
I would say it is definitevely overpriced. Have you calculated how long it will take to pay off ?
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:34 pm
by Fraufruit
€200 X 64 panels?
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:14 pm
by Robinson100
Fraufruit wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:34 pm
€200 X 64 panels?
Exactly!
But also, the insurances that we have looked at so far include items such as electricity costs whilst panels are being replaced, etc
Actually, I have just been looking on Verivox, and I could get insurance for €56/year, which is not bad, IMO....
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:39 pm
by Nixon
Hausverwaltung would arrest me
if I mount it, but it is tempting.
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:54 am
by dstanners
Frantic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:17 pm
I would say it is definitevely overpriced. Have you calculated how long it will take to pay off ?
I agree it's pretty expensive too, but a) I'm not getting significantly better quotes (please share supplier details if you have one) and b) we're looking to change one of the cars to electric.
Point b is the one which changes the balance according to my (rough) calculations. I think it pays itself back in just around 8/9 years PROVIDED the car runs off the PV for about 9 months in the year. The big advantage is that the car I'm looking to change to electric sits at home during the day on most days and is only used for short trips.
Even so, I accept it's a pretty poor investment in financial terms, but there's the additional non-monetary benefit of reducing my use of petrol/fossil fuels....I appreciate that comes with the risk that I may become even more irritatingly self-righteous.
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:46 am
by Frantic
How many offers have you got till now ?
Prices can vary according to the Land where you live. That offers is overpriced even for Greater Munich Area.
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:19 pm
by kiplette
Presumably though, some of this type of stuff is going to be more expensive outside cities, where there is less competition, fewer customers and maybe crappier supply chains.
So mid-nowhere-in-the-Eifel is quite possibly more expensive than Munich or Hamburg or the other massive cities.
Or not, I am clueless and just throwing a thought out there.
Maybe someone has experience with a nationwide firm which ausgleiches this problem of locality and might give dstanners a better value quote?
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:25 pm
by dstanners
I think Kiplette may well be right and that the pricing may reflect an Eifel premium.
So far I've had three written quotes and a couple of estimates from online comparators. The formal quotes were all close.
However, based on Kiplette's thought that local firms may be more expensive, I contacted e.on. Their website provided a non-binding, indicative price of 11k for the panels and 3.5k for the battery, in both cases including fitting/scaffolding, which would be fantastic. However, they've put me through to their "local company" (Klarsolar in Heidelberg, which I guess is local to someone who lives there) who will make a formal offer. It'll be interesting to see whether/how much the price changes.
I'll let you know once I've heard back (I have also asked Vattenfall for a similar quote)..
Re: My Photovoltaikanlage
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:31 pm
by Alberto
When we installed our PV, the company was somewhere else, their guys came from outside. So I don't entirely agree that your location matters. But maybe I'm wrong...
3.5keur for a battery is a third of what we were quoted a while back, and also less than I would have guessed today. Still overpriced for almost everybody, though.
Oh and "our guys" did not use any scaffolding. Well, I was shocked they didn't, goes in line with what I've seen during the construction of our house: in the construction business they don't hesitate to trade safety for saving...