Can British citizens travel to the UK using a non-British passport?

[bethannbitt]

Regarding the expired passport topic:-

Dual nationals could use expired UK passports to prove they are British, Home Office says

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, I am British and not having a British passport doesn't change that.

From the article:-

Morgan Read, an immigration barrister at North Square chambers, said there was nothing in the Immigration Act 1971 requiring a valid UK passport to prove British citizenship. “It is well established that expired passports can be used to prove citizenship and identity – that’s not their purpose, but they can be used for that,” he said, pointing to the official government page on “right to work” checks for British or Irish citizens that allows expired passports.

My elderly mother in the US has used her expired passport to open a new bank account, acquire a state ID (since she no longer drives), and register to vote. It's a practical solution in certain cases. The passport acquisition has already vetted the person.

[snowingagain]

What I had missed was they are putting the onus onto ferries/airlines to check this. Which makes it more complicated because the cost implications to them if have to ship/fly someone back may make them hyper cautious. Carriers are being told that a post 1989 expired passport will be one of the options. I guess we will find out as this all starts today.

[Franklan]

What I had missed was they are putting the onus onto ferries/airlines to check this.

Exactly. Aer Lingus scraps driver-licence travel option – Irish and UK passengers will need passports from 25 February

[pappnase]

The driving license thing kinda makes sense though, a driving license has very little to do with your nationality or your entitlement to visit the UK.

I mean it has your date and place of birth on it, which is a start towards establishing your citizenship, but on it's own it's nowhere near enough.
You can be an foreign national from one of many places, and if you are living in Ireland you can exchange your license for an Irish one.

I can easily see an Irish license showing a UK place of birth belonging to an German with no right to travel to the UK without an ESTA.

[pappnase]

Also while we are on the whole topic, how come they can make a paper passport which gives me entry to the UK and loads of other places for £94.50, but to make a digital "Certificate of entitlement" it costs £589?

I mean I would still be pissed off if I had to pay 94.50 but 589 looks like profiteering to me.

[snowingagain]

... and a mere 482 GBP to rescind citizenship. Bargain really.

[kaffeemitmilch]

Also while we are on the whole topic, how come they can make a paper passport which gives me entry to the UK and loads of other places for £94.50, but to make a digital "Certificate of entitlement" it costs £589?

I mean I would still be pissed off if I had to pay 94.50 but 589 looks like profiteering to me.

I know, it boggles the mind.

[bethannbitt]

Renewing a passport every 10 years for 95 GBP is like an insurance policy IMO. For Americans it's about the same ($130), and I have/will never let my pass lapse to avoid a $13 per year insurance policy. For slightly over $1 a month I never ever worry about whether or not I can fly "home" pronto cuz my elderly mother is sick, or ... We too have ways of doing things in emergencies that may cost a pretty penny, but the bigger problem for me would be the hassle and worry in a moment of crisis. No Thanks! Not for $1 a month. But that's just me, and I don't buy lots of insurance generally speaking.

[snowingagain]

I think main complaint is that this change for dual EU/UK nationals was announced a year ago, but was not well publicised and people in EU had little idea. Not sure if this was different for dual US German folks?

[bethannbitt]

I think main complaint is that this change for dual EU/UK nationals was announced a year ago, but was not well publicised and people in EU had little idea. Not sure if this was different for dual US German folks?

Dual American-Germans and Americans residing in Germany have always been required to enter the US on an updated US passport, and vice versa. This seems to be Brexit rearing it's ugly head. I can fully appreciate the unwelcomeness of the change. For me it's just always been this way.

[Fraufruit]

Yes, my American friend who lives here got stopped at the airport in Florida last year and wasn't allowed to fly home because her U.S. passport was going to expire in a few months. She had to fly to New Orleans to get an emergency passport. That wasn't cheap or convenient. Mind you, that was leaving the U.S., not trying to get in.

So nothing new for us.

Also, every time I book a flight anywhere, it tells me exactly what documentation I need to fly.

[bethannbitt]

Right. My Armenian-Germerican grands (3, 6, & 9), who have never set foot in the US, have US passports (no dual citizenship) that must be renewed every 5 years. We have to always keep track of each cycle cuz a US citizen can't enter the EU with less than 3 months to expiration since that's the length of a tourist visa. Only thing I can say to these folks here is, one just adjusts to it. Right now it's new, and a shock.

[bethannbitt]

Here we go. New rules being tested as we speak. From today's Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-children